Men, MCPs and me.

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‘I hate shopping’, I tell someone, and he is clearly surprised. Well, I had expected him to be happy, too, but it seems to be more like a deflation of his ego. Oh yeah, after all, he has just lost one of his points he can rant against girls, to me: girls love and spend helluva lot of time shopping.
So what’s with all these generalisations, anyway? Women cry easily, want to be pampered, love shopping, blah blah. Come off it, men, there is an equally long list I can give about what you could do. And all you’ll say is at least you don’t spend so much time checking stuff in a shop out. What rubbish! I have seen cousin brothers and uncles getting lost in a shop filled with electronic gadgets. And talking for hours on the latest computer monitor, car or cell phone model. We all have things to talk about. So next time, if you happen to make such a comment, I just wish the woman around you knows enough to counter. We’re not thinking of starting a fight here, but just to teach you how different genders are made differently, and you better recognize it and respond better or just shut up.
And oh, about how women cry. Ugh. Like men don’t. Men just have a huge complex around them to express their emotions, it’s like ‘being a woman’ if he cries. And that every woman is extremely sensitive and is weak-hearted. I agree, there are many women who are like that, crying for every other thing every other day, for even I would get so irritated as to slap them, asking them to shut up and be strong. But what’s with the thing that all women cry and everyone who cries is a woman? Just chauvinistic attitude! I would say such men are just weak enough to admit they want to cry or cried.
For all the talk most of the Indian men make, I must say they are some of the most disrespectful of the limited lot I have seen. Guys in Singapore have so much chivalry, it leaves me surprised. They treat girls so well, you know, like opening doors before girls get to them, let you go in the queue before them, basically extremely well-behaved. And Indian guys? They run out even before you could get to the door. I’m sure I can expect talk from them saying they have respect within and so on. Gibberish. I don’t want to be pampered like a 17th century lady, but just expect some basic courtesy. Indian men could be totally disrespectful when they talk of women, they could even lack the basic courtesy they should extend to another person who lives on the same ground as them. This is what I mean, which is there to some extent in Singaporean men, and hard to find in Indian guys (not that I’ve done an entire case study of men around the world; it’s just a general observation). The basic respect to women.
So why am I saying all this? Not because I’m jobless; I’ve wanted to write this for long, but just found the time. Not because I’m a feminist, don’t get me started on that. I just wish I could see and hear lesser of such talk from men, more so on my blog. There was this one guy who read my story on a little boy who cried, and goes on to tell me in my comment box: ‘You were learning to be a woman’ and gave a whole list of how the ‘I’ in the story was learning to be a woman. That ‘she’ cried, that ‘she’ screamed, tried to fight someone off, and so on. If it weren’t for social courtesy I have to maintain, I would have torn the guy apart with words. Not only has he read the story without any care, not only hasn’t he realised it’s about a boy and not a girl, he has the cheek to tell me all that in the comment box. Of a girl. Fine, of course he has the right to tell me his interpretation, but it’s the way it has been presented that can be so irritating.
Please don’t give any male chauvinistic comments anywhere, not only my blog, but anyone’s. Show some basic courtesy to the women who do so much in life to keep you happy, to please you. And don’t expect me to be nice if I find any such comment in my blog.

36 comments:

Harish said...

Count Dracula would have been proud of those fangs :)
riiippppppppppppppppppp!

Kausikram Krishnasayee said...

vadivelu style TOTAL DAMAGE, next meet panache i will definetly open the door for u ;) .....yedo theriyala yena thitara madiriye irundhudu ...but whats with chivalry? chivalry is sooo dead nowadayz

Vani Viswanathan said...

harish,
yeah?
:D
yayyyyy!!!

mark,
hehe, thank god it's not (just? :P) you! ;) just a lot of guys and men i happen to come across...and how can chivalry be dead at all? never!!

Vijay Ramamurthi said...

well !!

Subramanian Ramachandran said...

etho oru paiyan pora pokkula vittutu pona vaarthai vachitti as mark said u have done our community....total damage

Even girls have so many misconceptions about guys.. example ku onnu solrathunna

for a girl,
if a guy talk freely and casually with her it is called as friendship, if he talks the same way with another girl it is flirting / jollu / love

sari sari free ya vidunga... :) Cool down cool down

Vani Viswanathan said...

vijay,
???
I have NO IDEA what you mean with the 'well'.

subras,
it's definitely not based on any one guy's remark. and of course, i never denied the misconceptions we have about guys. the whole point is about treating girls with some more respect. :) wogay?

Subramanian Ramachandran said...

am treating girls with more respect pa..and so do so many guys...

occasionally some off the mark remarks ku mathippu koduthu oru post ah :)

the point i am making is , intha maathiri gindal, branding comments pass panrathu lam jagajam...

Sriram said...

Me is most surprised. me happy that you brought this up and me supports you! (yesh, me hates MCP's and feminists too). Talk about chivalry! I get lampooned for holding the door for a girl.. sheesh... oh wait.. we are mising the point here. but me has to ask. what was the trigger for this post?

Anonymous said...

indiguys dont run out before u reach the door, they actually to ensure it slams in your face!

anyway *rubbing my hands in glee waiting to see the comments* :)

Besides, indian girls are no angels either. Basic thing is, life is fair - one gets what one gives. What say guys? :)

Vani Viswanathan said...

subras,
sheeesh, i really can't take this it's all sagajam crap.. i find these mere justifications for some to continue what they're doing. and besides, they're no off-the-mark comments either!
anyways, i'm glad you think you respect women!! :)

Vani Viswanathan said...

sriram,
thanks!!! am glad you hold the door open! :P
oh, nothing specific triggered the post. it's just something i've been wanting to write for long, but just found the time to.

TM,
@indiguys dont run out before u reach the door, they actually to ensure it slams in your face!

Nope, that's exactly what happens. the door shuts even before others get to them!

@Basic thing is, life is fair - one gets what one gives.

Exactly. when life is fair, why shd indian girls be angels and treat men nicely? :)

He he, I'm waiting to see if anything interesting happens in the comments section too! ;)

Anonymous said...

kadal padathula our paatula 3 adi aaruval vaichu sadam parimara sollura mathiri irukku enga comments yezuthurathu.. :-6

summer-la yetho ice cream,chocklet irukkum-nu yethirparthan :)

-lok

Ramya Shankar said...

Way to go !! I back you or rather I'm with you! :)
Its not all men alright, but the guilty ones prolly mite be advocating here...

Subramanian Ramachandran said...

ok :) naan solla vanthathu such issues do not deserve respect and rather be ignored :)

udane MCP aakiteengalae... I am not a MCP nor planning to one...i wud rather want to be SCJP (before any one jump into conclusion, i am referring to Sun Certified Java Professional and yes i have registered for the exam)

Vani Viswanathan said...

lok,
hmm, life always ain't nice and sunny to write about ice creams and beaches, right?

ramya,
Way to go, girl! And what you said...is so TRUE!

Subra,
I never called you an MCP. Look at who's getting all defensive now! ;)

Sheks said...

i am surprised.cos i'm one who's courteous towards women.i offer my seat in a bus,even if it's crowded.i dont know how i'm doing it,but it's true.

for the same reason,i hate to use the word "pombaLai".

Kausikram Krishnasayee said...

they're no off-the-mark comments either!

Yippi enna pathi illa ......

Anonymous said...

I felt the same thing..im in USA & I always feel the same with indian guys & American guys... I feel american guys have lot of patience & less male chauvinism..

Unknown said...

good that i am not included in the category..un icecream panatha thiruppi koduthathukku nee chivalrous sollita! illaena enna thittara maadhiriye irundhudhu :D`

Asha said...

Lol. This is a good one. I've got things to say... but, I rather not. :P

Vani Viswanathan said...

sheks,
really? well, glad you think you respect women, but why the surprise, though? There are many who don't!

mark,
LOL!!

Vani Viswanathan said...

sangeetha,
True! I find the same with the few Caucasian guys I meet here...guess it has to do with their society...as in they've been used to men and women equality(well, so they claim!) for quite some time now...it's new for indians...i feel chauvinism is in part because of insecurity in many people...it's a cover under which they hide their fears that their status will go down or something! The only way they feel respite is to pass remarks about women that make them lounge in the idea that they have an upper hand because they're still about to make remarks on women!

Prav,
adapaavi! thappichutiya? ;)

Vani Viswanathan said...

The woman,
C'mon! You gotta tell me what! ;) Not for the second time...

D the dreamer,
Welcome, and thanks.
Definitely, it exists in all races, but as I said in the post, I only know about these two categories of guys: Indian and Singaporean, and probably to a very less extent, Caucasians. Hence the talk~~
And what you told Ramya, :), she was talking about those who get extremely defensive and jittery and talk about how they're not this way, respect women and all that.

Vani Viswanathan said...

well, at least they are more chivalrous at other hours! at least they don't pass crude remarks about women when they're at earshot!

Vani Viswanathan said...

i did see that point, i just didn't want to repeat myself over again! :)

Vivhyd said...

Just cos someone picked up a point, u have gone about blaming the whole Indian men folks I guess.. well ya the basic mannerisms are different as regards to the Men in the west or east but inherently its the same with all Men.. U have generalised too much here. As for opening the door for women, well I understand that its courteous and its something I have picked up after coming to the US. But Men there do hold the door for their women or family, infact do a lot more. As far as doing the same for strangers, u should note that women do the same here too.. If u r walking into a building and a women passes me 1st ofr example, she holds and waits at the door if I am close enough so thts the way to go abt it.. not expect men to do it all the time while women sashay down.. u c the culture as a whole is different, u cant blame just the Men. As for shopping, ya u did raise a point that Men spend time at electronics stores but atleast they r gonna buy somethng and are spending time researching not like women folk who spend 10 hrs trying stuff and walk off cooly buying nothing.. I have been the witness to that numerous times.. as far as crying, I always believe its ok for Men to cry.. so I dont think crying wud make u a woman.. thts stupid. well for all other characteristics its in general with this world, Men and Woemn behave differently to different situations and thats y we are all different. But to take 2-3 examples and go about ranting is not the way about it. And again u cant use a single case and point fingers at everyone.. u gotta see the broader perspective.. there are heroes and villains all thruout the world..

matthew88 said...

oh yeah..
Women take hours to buy something that they r going to wear for a few hours the whole life. I meant the kind of Silk Saris my cousins bought. That surely is more time than the Production time itself :-)
- and tell me honestly - do u women really WANT 'chivalry' from MEN ? Surely u dont want i hope. After all, WTA players r constantly demanding equal prize money for the Grand Slams (despite playing fewer sets)... But i definitely wish that both Men & Women let go of their "disrespect" & "Hate" towards each other :-)

Vani Viswanathan said...

c'mon guys, how many times do i say that no single event triggered this post?! it's a culmination of all the things i've seen in 19 years of life and i just felt that at least in the respect indian men show outwardly toward women seems to be lesser. of course i don't know about men from other places and i have made a point there. what this post asks is for BASIC respect towards women. i've already said we don't even care about men not being 'chivalrous' per say, by opening doors..that's just some courtesy you extend to even people you don't know. who cares about that? it just talks of all the snide remarks women get... countless men have those ideas about women. i agree they're not entirely wrong, but so what if we shop on for hours or dress up for hours? different people have different obsessions. if i keep complaining men spend on cars or electronics (constantly upgrading them and so on..)won't you spring up to justify why you do so? the same way, we also have reasons to do certain things, which should be accepted as differences. which should be respected as things that represent a women.
those of you who've commented who live abroad, i'm sure you've learnt more only when you went there. your society has trained you and you've moulded yourself into how things happen there. it's not the same in india. the respect that has to be shown for women there is still LOW. i agree it's because of a lot of factors, and i can't change it sitting here typing all this out in a blog. all i want is for you to think twice before you pass any such crude remarks. and for heaven's sake, you doesn't mean JUST YOU! all i say is you just have to be more fair to women, give them basic respect, i dont' give a damn if you don't open the door or pull out a chair for me to sit, but i do give a damn if you comment on why i don't like to shop or why i'm intent on having shoes that match with my clothes.
Basic respect.
That's it.

Vani Viswanathan said...

pradeepan,
this is exactly the kind of remark i'm talking about. :)
how do you know what importance women attach to that particular event you're talking about?
and what is wrong if i demand chivalry?
and about the WTA thing, that's such a crazy point!! they're able to respect women as equals and what is your problem? do i have to tell you why women can't play 4 sets in a tennis game>
you say all this and continue saying you wish women and men don't disrespect or hate each other? that's funny! if you'd posted this comment in some other post of mine, i wouldn't have cared, but what surprises me is after all my ranting in the post, you still say such things! :) I'm sorry, i really can't find it funny or anything right now...

Vani Viswanathan said...

Sigh!! I've realised it's no point trying to say all this in my blog...it'll take ages before our society comes up to treating men and women equally. And if takes all men to go and live abroad before they can learn to do so, God save my India.

Anu said...

Oh My God, I wonder why these men can't see through what the post wants to say..all they want to do is to spring up in defence!! Preposterous!

Bijesh said...

it's just the way men and women are made. we're different and we just can't accept the difference as a natural thing. Yes, I think some of the characteristics that men and women have are sterotypical. There are exceptions ofcourse.

Vani Viswanathan said...

Anu,
You bet!! I can hardly find a soul who agrees that there are mistakes that men make...all most of them do is to spring up in defence...and like Ramya said, they are the chauvinists!!

biju,
That's true. And this difference has to be recognised by both the genders! The current recognition seems to be only for the sake of poking fun at the other!

matthew88 said...
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matthew88 said...

Nope, I completely go with you that society SHOULD change for the better and treat everyone equal. But the first step towards doing that is WOMEN themselves treating them as Equals.
So pls dont EXPECT 'chivalry' - its not reqd really. I dont think there is any need to have seats reserved for Ladies in buses - just as there is no need for a guy to give up his seat to someone - just because she was a lady :-)
In the US, some elders actually feel offended - when they are offered a seat !!!

And i have no issues that Men n Women players be paid equally for a match ! (though an all time great is against this - Sampras).
btw, do u know - ticket prices are not differentiated :

Vani Viswanathan said...

Pradeep,
Chivalry isn't just for women. I'd expect women to hold the door open for some guy behind them too. So chivalry is just about respect to anyone else, even men! I also don't like it if girls don't hold the door open when I'm rushing up to catch up with them! ;)
And Sampras is against equal payment?! Gosh, there, some of the high respect I held for him has gone down a bit! :(